Japan Skiing Holiday

on March 11, 2017

My children (Sophie 7 and Ethan 5) and I went to Japan for a skiing holiday in February 2017. It was our first time in Japan and our first time skiing. Since then we have gone back to Hakuba in January 2019. This post is a culmination of the things we have learn’t from our travels in Japan.

Because it was our first time in Japan and our first time skiing, I booked our holiday so if the kids didn’t like one part of it, we wouldn’t be stuck there for too long. I decided that we would stay the first 2 nights in Tokyo, 5 nights in Hakuba and then our last 5 nights seeing the sights in Tokyo/Osaka/Kyoto. As always, hindsight is a great thing…. These are the things we learned:

Stay the first night in Tokyo

After a 9 hour flight we arrived at approximately 5.30pm local time. There are a few different ways to get to Hakuba:

  1. Bus direct from Narita to Hakuba which I have read takes about 5 hours. I have spoken with a few people who have done this.
  2. Nartia Express to Tokyo (1 hr) then Shinkansen from Tokyo to Nagano (1.2 hr) then bus from Nagano to Hakuba (1.15 hours).

I have spoken to many people who go straight to Hakuba from Narita. With my children so young, we choose to stay in Tokyo the first night. Staying the first night in Tokyo is a great way for the kids and parents to unwind, get their bearings and have a good nights sleep.

When we stay in Tokyo we stay at the Shiba Park Hotel 151 for the following reasons:

  1. the staff are really friendly and great with children
  2. they run classes for kids and adults in origami and other Japanese cultural craft. My children love these classes and take them every change they get. They are always really excited about them.
  3. the hotel is centrally located, we often walk from the hotel into Tokyo to enjoy the scenery.
  4. Starbucks is just down the road, which is the best place for western style coffee in Japan even though it is expensive in comparison to Australian prices
  5. the beds and rooms are western style and of good size
  6. the prices are very reasonable

Skiing is awesome

Many people say that they love skiing, we super loved skiing, I think the kids loved it more than I did. Skiing is like being on a 5km long slippery slide and when you get to the bottom, you sit on a seat for a few minutes, have a rest, get off and the slippery slide starts again.

Some days the lifts are not operating or someone is a bit sick or tired. If someone gets hurt, they need a few days to recuperate -> if you only have a few days of skiing, you tend to ski even if you are injured (I know this from experience) making it much worse.

We have found there is are two optimal time frames for skiing, 4 days or 10 or more days. When we haven’t skied for a while, we can at best ski 4 days solid before we need to have a break day. Once we have had a break day, we can do 2 full days or 4 half days before we need a break again. This is why I have found the 4 or 10 day skiing holiday works best.

Hakuba

Hakuba is a great place to ski and a great town full of great people. It has yet to go full western which is awesome, though they cater to westerners really well.

During our holiday in 2017, we stayed at Hakuba Hotel Ouigiya which is in a really great location, 3 minutes walk from the free ski shuttle and 7 minutes walk from a ski lift. If you really wanted to you could walk the 7 minutes to the lift, ski all over the mountain (using the many other lifts) and then ski back to the lift you started at in the morning and walk back to the hotel.

Staying at Hakuba Hotel Ouigiya made things really easy. The manager is also the owner of the hotel, you can see the passion in every part of the hotel. When we arrived at Hakuba bus terminal, the people there called him and he came and picked us up in 10 minutes. He also organized a discount on our ski gear hire and lift passes. Every time I went past the front desk, he was there - I often wondered when he slept. The breakfasts were really good, especially if you want to skip lunch and ski all day.

I initially booked the hotel because I thought it would be good for the kids to be able to socialize with other kids in the hotel, unexpectedly the opposite occurred. They socialize and skied with other kids on the ski slopes 8 hours a day, so by the end of the day all they wanted to do was eat and sleep.

This was the view from our room at Hakuba Hotel Ouigiya

During our holiday in 2019, we stayed at the Courtyard Marriot Hakuba, which we found to be great. The things we most enjoyed there were:

  1. the western beds
  2. the very modern fit out of the hotel
  3. the onsen in our rooms
  4. the free shuttle to the slops is in front of the hotel
  5. the onsite restaurant
  6. the lovely, very accommodating staff

There was nothing we would change at the Marriot in Hakuba.

This was the view from our room at Courtyard Marriot Hakuba

Skiing is a fantastic family holiday

We have been on many family holidays, both overseas and in Australia. Skiing is the best family holiday by far. You all have breakfast together, talking about where you are going to ski for the day, go out skiing both together and on your own, meet for lunch and talk about skiing and the great things you have done, then ski until late afternoon. By the time the day is over, everyone is exhausted but at the same time exhilarated. Dinner conversation is as animated as it was at breakfast and lunch and then you all fall into bed excited for the next day of family fun.

Try self contained apartments

When we go again, we will stay in a self contained apartment, mostly because it would be easier and cheaper and we could cook our meals ourselves (some nights we struggled to walk the 5 minutes to a restaurant). Hakuba has a number of good sized supermarkets not far from the ski slopes, so buying food at decent prices is very easy.

I am not sure I would stay in self contained apartments if it was just myself and my partner. With kids, self contained apartments would be easier, though we have yet to test this.

You need about half the luggage you expect

Most days will be spent in your ski gear, so you only need clothes for after skiing and in the morning for breakfast. Your only wearing these clothes for a few hours a day and because it is so cold, you don’t sweat, so your clothes don’t get dirty. You will need a jacket any time you are outside, you could just wear your ski jacket all the time but if it gets wet then it isn’t very comfortable. I recommend you bring another warm jacket for night times. Don’t bother bringing jumpers built for Australian winters, they are useless against real cold.

I bought two pairs of shoes but I only wore my joggers. I thought my feet would get cold but they didn’t. My joggers got saturated when I stepped in a puddle but dried (the hotel has a drying room for ski gear and other wet clothes) within an hour. Luckily I was wearing wool socks (which I highly recommend), so even when they were wet, my feet were OK.

You could only take one set of thermals to reduce luggage but I wouldn’t recommend it. They get a bit smelly but not as bad as I thought. Smelly thermals is nothing compared to putting on wet thermals and going out in the snow.

Stay as close to the ski slopes as possible

Staying a long way from the ski slopes makes getting to them difficult. I know that is a given but for someone who hadn’t walked in ski boots before, I was surprised how difficult they are to walk it on ice and snow. Staying close to the free shuttle or a ski lift is very important. If you didn’t have access to the shuttle, I couldn’t imagine how frustrating it would be (especially with kids) getting to the slopes every morning.

Many hotels sell discount lift passes

They are about 20% cheaper, which makes a big difference. Ethan got free lift passes on Sakka Slope, I think if kids are under 6 they get free lift passes to the beginner slopes.

There is also the ability to buy your lift passes online for a significant discount

Buy heaps of snacks at the supermarkets

Snacks come in very handy when the kids get hungry and they get hungry a lot when they ski. Buying 3 meals a day, every day can get expensive, add snacks to that and it adds up.

Fruit is hard to come by

We eat huge amounts of fruit at home. In Japan fruit isn’t something that is easy to buy, I didn’t see a single fruit store. You can sometimes buy apples/bananas singularly for a couple of dollars each from corner stores. The large supermarkets have more fruit options, though it is still expensive (in comparison to Australia) and the range is limited. If you want to eat fruit regularly, get it at the supermarket.

Bring some movies

Skiing all the time gets exhausting. We found that after the 4th day of skiing we needed a rest. We considered going to the Snow Monkeys but the kids just wanted to have a relaxing day. Luckily I bought a USB stick with some movies on it, just in case I got sick and I needed to entertain the kids. Having some movies is a good insurance plan for a day inside.

Multi day lift passes might not be a good idea

If you are a beginner, your style is probably not the best. This means you might hurt yourself (I did). If you buy a multi day pass and cannot ski, you forfeit the sequential days you do not ski, there are no refunds.

Sakka Slope is fantastic for families

It has a children’s ski area with a magic carpet lift. Sophie and Ethan spent a number of days practicing in the play area and it only costs 500 yen a day. The staff at the play area were fantastic and helped them learn to ski.

It has a massive dining hall with good food, free water, good coffee, toilets and other shops at good prices.

It has 3 lifts, two of which service the beginner slopes and one which services the top of the mountain.

You can get a Sakka Debut lift pass which gives you access to the two Sakka beginner slopes and only costs 2500 yen per day for adults and 1500 yen for kids over 6.

The free shuttle picks up from Sakka Slope every 30 minutes.

They have a ski school there that caters to international tourists.

Kids pick up skiing quickly

Because it was our first time skiing, I thought that lessons would be a good idea. At the end of their first day of lessons, I asked the teacher how Ethan went and was told he mostly threw snowballs at the other kids. I decided to try another tactic and took Sophie and Ethan to the kids ski area at Sakka Slope with the magic carpet. They worked really hard (6 hours a day) learning to ski and I didn’t have to push them to learn at all. Once they had picked it up really well, I took them on the beginner slope. Within 3 rides up the mountain, they left me in their dust because, and I quote “Daddy your too slow”. The next time I saw them was them riding the lift together waving at me with massive smiles on their faces. The only issue with them picking it up so quickly is having to watch them go down the slope faster than anyone else. I tried to get them to do the “pizza move” but they said it was “boring”.

Get Yen in Australia

We didn’t see many foreign exchange places in Japan. Weirdly it is much easier paying with cash than it is using a card all the time, this is doubly true if your bank charges big fees on foreign transactions. When you get to Hakuba, you can get Yen by withdrawing $400 max from the ATM (no idea what the margin is) or exchanging AUD cash for Yen at a 15% margin. Most restaurants in Hakuba take cash over card.

Budget per day

Our hotel cost us approx $300 per day (including breakfast).

Skis, boots, poles (only for me) and helmet hire cost us $100 per day (for the 3 of us) from Spicy Rentals Hakuba. There may be cheaper places to rent if you shop around. I rented from a place next to Sakka Slope one day and it only cost me $30 for the day instead of the usual $40 from Spicy Rentals.

Lessons are about $100 per hour for 3 of you if you get 4 hour lessons. I would recommend that you get lessons for at least 2 hours, twice.

Our base cost per day in Hakuba was approx $500 AUD before meals, snacks and other discretionary spending.

Get lessons

One of the reasons I hurt myself is because my technique wasn’t very good and my legs got so tired they didn’t feel tired anymore, they just stopped responding. I got lessons but probably should have gotten a couple hours more.

I would recommend that you get lessons for at least 2 hours, twice. Once you have the basics, practice them (this is what my instructor told me). This gives you time to turn what you have learned into more of a reflex and your muscles have gotten used to skiing. Once you are good with that, get a lesson to tidy up your technique.

Bring a multivitamin

Going from Australia to Japan was a bit of a shock to our systems. We left Brisbane when it was 36 degrees and 80% humidity, arriving in Japan where it was 1 degree. Because it is so cold, you are walking between the cold outside and heated inside, all day. Add to this that fruits and vegetables do not feature as prominently as noodles and rice on the Japanese menu and you quickly get a deficiency of vitamins. Both Sophie and Ethan got a cold, I purchased us all a “vitamin jelly” drink (I think it was called Vitamin 11) from the local convenience store and in 2 nights they were back to normal, I felt much better as well.

Don’t bother buying duty free

Alcohol in Japan is very cheap in comparison to Australia. A 700ml bottle of Jim Beam is $17 AUD and 4L of decent Japanese scotch is $42 AUD, all other alcohol is just as cheap. I noticed that cigarettes (if you are that way inclined) are $5 AUD for a packet of 20. Prices of alcohol and cigarettes seem to be almost exactly the same (within a few yen) everywhere we went.

It’s colder and hotter than you think

I tried to think of a heading that didn’t contradict itself but couldn’t. I thought that 1 degrees would be really cold but weirdly it wasn’t, I could happily walk around in normal Australian winter clothes… until the wind came up and then I was absolutely freezing. After skiing, you will need gloves, beanie and a really warm jacket - jumpers for the Australian climate just don’t cut it (I tried them).

Bring moisturiser and lip balm

The cold and lower humidity make it feel very dry for your skin. I bought moisturizer (100ml) and lip balm but ran out of moisturizer within a week. I went to a number of chemists but wasn’t 100% sure of what I was buying. I got scared off completely when I tried one, it smelt horrible then checked the label which said “horse oil” and a bunch of other ingredients I hadn’t heard of… I’ve since learned that “horse oil” is used in many high end cosmetics.

Get a SIM card at the airport

When we came through the airport at Narita, I was a little frazzled from being on the plane for 9 hours plus getting 2 children and our luggage through the airport. I saw the SIM card place but figured I would get one somewhere else in Tokyo, I didn’t see another place and we traveled by foot and train a lot. Having a SIM card would have allowed me to message the kids and our family, use Google Maps when we got lost and check out things as we traveled - it would have saved me from having to ask about Free WiFi at every establishment we ate at, slept in or walked past.

Bring clothes you can put in a dryer

Even though I bought more clothes than we ever needed, we still needed to wash some clothes. When it is a couple of degrees outside and land is worth $100,000 AUD a square meter (in Tokyo), clothes lines are non existent. The only option is a dryer and in most places we visited, you could not control the drying temperature. In the end I just had to throw our clothes in and see if “do not tumble dry” was a recommendation or requirement.. Some clothing survived and some didn’t. The ones that didn’t survive are going to be used as dolls clothes when we get home :-)

Book early

When we went skiing in February 2017, it wasn’t hard to get accommodation Hakuba. We decided to go skiing in late January 2019 and it was very difficult to get accommodation in Hakuba. It seems that Hakuba is now on the map for Aussie’s as there were huge numbers of us in Hakuba. I’ve been told by my Japanese friends that many Japanese and well skied westerners are now going to ski resorts an hour north of Hakuba, though I’ve been sworn to secrecy for the time being.